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G-13 from U.S. Government

G-13
Region	New World Strains - The Americas, Hawaii and Caribbean
Type	Unkown type
Origin	Mississippi USA
Breeder	U.S. Government
Descriptions	-	Updated: 2002-09-16
	The Headquarters Seed Bank in Amsterdam, later known as the C.I.A. (Cannabis in Amsterdam), sold a strain called O.G.13b. The (mid-80's era) catalog stated: Variety: mostly sativa Cultivated: U.S. genetics manipulated in Holland Breeding: stabilized hybrid Smell/Taste:sweet and spicy. Effect:overpowering, stupefying high
Specifications	-	Updated: 2002-09-16
	Flowering: 11-14 weeks. Harvest date: late November Yield: Indoor - 225 to 275 grams per square meter. Outdoor - 150 to 200 grams per plant Height: 2 to 3 meters (Indoors: Sprawling Sativa).
Comments	Mrs B	Updated: 2002-09-16
	G-13xhp was a disappointment for home growth. Slow germ, low germ rate, and all but one turned out male. Got about 1/2 oz. from the one female, not the biggest buds but chunky and very resinous. Nice potent relaxing high, but hardly worth the effort to get one plant with a small yield. REEKS of entire families of dead skunk armpits. on Monday, September 2, 2002 at 14:07:59
	Marc Emery	Updated: 2002-12-07
	Appearance: many flower clusters, covered with resin Also, The Seed Bank's 1989 Catalog sold G-13 x Hash Plant and G-13 x Northern Lights #2. The catalog says: 'G-13 is an outstanding pure Indica cutting reputedly discovered by the government research program in Mississippi. Widely grown as a commercial indoor plant in the US, G-13 has proven to be one of the best breeding plants in our collection'. The G-13 pure, 55 - 60 day sativa (sic), doesn't exist in male form any longer. The last pure G-13 seeds were offered in 1988 by Nevil's old bank. A description from an old catalog would be nice, but I don't have one, but someone out there will. Sensi's version is a female propagated by cuttings for the last 10 years, the sativa female was pollinated by the stout afghan HASH PLANT male, and that is the current Sensi offering. I sell g-13 x Skunk by THC seeds of Amsterdam, but candidly, it doesn't get great reviews. The interest in G-13 has become very strong since HIGH TIMES magazine featured a photo of G-13 with a claimed THC level of 28%, the highest they have ever seen. Sensi responded to this interest, and it will be hard to knock off, so it is expensive. I know no one who has grown out the seeds to fruition yet. Some others strains that exist only in female cutting: William's Wonder, Garlic Bud. Anyone can think of any others?
	Johnny Reb	Updated: 2002-12-07
	From an article about what Nevil Schoenmaker grew: G-13 is a very potent indica with a very strong stem and short internodes but a longer less webbed leaf. Although very strong, it seems to lack "personality" but is an excellent plant for breeding. -Hightimes, September 1990, page 50. If you are in the Deep South like Mississippi or Alabama, there are lots of chunky skunky badboy local bud. Sometimes people sell blowaway as "G" short for g-13. But looking at the picture of G-13, it leafs look at lot more like a Kush than a fat indica leaf.
	Prince Caspian	Updated: 2002-12-07
	If you want the best of the best then I suggest you start searching for the pure G13 or its hybrids. That by far is strongest bud today (I've never smoked straight WW but have had crosses with a different type and if WW is a very strong head buzz it pales in comparison to the G13 strains). I have a G13xNL; it grows medium nodes with huge fat blades. This baby produces trichomes with heads instantly with lime green hues so its when near finished its just has thick white golden look all over has a deep penetrating mixed citrus like smell. I've been told that smell is a 10 cause it's so deep and pungent, with a deep orange flavor. It produces small to medium size golden nuggets (I have a 400; maybe with 1k it will do a lot better). The high is very UNIQUE; it will take you up for a high lift, then suddenly it will slam ya back with force. VERY STRONG: its the best cause it been tried against 6 strains: NL5 Sensi, AK47, Kali Mist, Yumbolt, Blueberry, Jack flash, and none can even compare in potency taste and smell. Dankmaster It seems to be predominately indica, but it could be anything. My particular variety of the "pure" G13 I believe came from the Mississippi farm. Fat leaves, red stems (leaves), usually only 5 fingers, but I've seen six and even seven. Super resiny, and a fast finisher. This is definately a hybrid. At least our tax money is going for something worthwhile. Airborne The G-13 was 43 days in 12/12, and while I might have let it go to 50, I need the weed and it was done. I have let it go to 64 before and it was MUCH too long. The G doesn't yeild as large a cola as an AK, but the buzz is outrageous. I'm so spoiled that I won't smoke anything else. The yeild is better and juicier in hydro than my previous harvest in soil. Also, with this breed I think a good veg time is about 10 days to two weeks. For what it is worth, I always heard the name G-13 came from the person who actually 'liberated' the clone. G standing for Government and 13 representing the 13th letter of the alphabet = M = Marijuana. G-13 = Government marijuana
	Damion	Updated: 2002-12-07
	Sensi Seed offers g13xhashplant and that was it. It is the same as the one sold in the 80's and it is also 2/3 of Black Domina. I learned this at the Sensi Seed shop 1 day after I bought the seeds directly from Alan Dronkers hands at the Pax party house. I spoke to Tony about the Mantanuska and he said that nobody has smoked it and none is ready yet. I picked up 10 Mantanuska and 5 peak19 beans (Mantanuska x Stonehedge) for 300gilders (about 5american). Adam from T.H. Seeds (Tony's best buddy and provider of the Bubblegum and Californian genetics) told me its "Sag's big bud" with "great dense yields but not a 9 or 10 in potency" and that the Stonehedge was a "more rewarding high/plant to grow" and that the "peak19 was a perfect compromise/partnership.
	Prince Caspian	Updated: 2002-12-07
	"The Headquarters Seed Bank in Amsterdam, later known as the C.I.A. (Cannabis in Amsterdam), sold a strain called O.G.13b. The (mid-80's era) catalog stated: Variety: mostly sativa . Cultivated: U.S. genetics manipulated in Holland. Breeding: stabilized hybrid. Smell/Taste: sweet and spicy. Effect: overpowering, stupefying high.Flowering: 11-14 weeks. Harvest date: late November. Yield: Indoor - 225 to 275 grams per square meter. Outdoor - 150 to 200 grams per plant. Height: 2 to 3 meters (Indoors: Sprawling Sativa). Appearance: many flower clusters, covered with resin. Also, The Seed Bank's 1989 Catalog sold G-13 x Hash Plant and G-13 x Northern Lights #2. The catalog says: 'G-13 is an outstanding pure Indica cutting reputedly discovered by the government research program in Mississippi. Widely grown as a commercial indoor plant in the US, G-13 has proven to be one of the best breeding plants in our collection'." "For what it is worth, I always heard the name G-13 came from the person who actually 'liberated' the clone. G standing for Government and 13 representing the 13th letter of the alphabet = M = Marijuana. G-13 = Government marijuana"
	Dankmaster	Updated: 2002-12-07
	"If you want the best of the best then I suggest you start searching for the pure G13 or its hybrids. That by far is strongest bud today (I've never smoked straight WW but have had crosses with a different type and if WW is a very strong head buzz it pales in comparison to the G13 strains). I have a G13xNL; it grows medium nodes with huge fat blades. This baby produces trichomes with heads instantly with lime green hues so its when near finished its just has thick white golden look all over has a deep penetrating mixed citrus like smell. I've been told that smell is a 10 cause it's so deep and pungent, with a deep orange flavor. It produces small to medium size golden nuggets (I have a 400; maybe with 1k it will do a lot better). The high is very UNIQUE; it will take you up for a high lift, then suddenly it will slam ya back with force. VERY STRONG: its the best cause it been tried against 6 strains: NL5 Sensi, AK47, Kali Mist, Yumbolt, Blueberry, Jack flash, and none can even compare in potency taste and smell."
	Airborne	Updated: 2002-12-07
	"It seems to be predominately indica, but it could be anything. My particular variety of the "pure" G13 I believe came from the Mississippi farm. Fat leaves, red stems (leaves), usually only 5 fingers, but I've seen six and even seven. Super resiny, and a fast finisher. This is definately a hybrid. At least our tax money is going for something worthwhile."
	Pacific Lady J	Updated: 2002-12-07
	The G-13 was 43 days in 12/12, and while I might have let it go to 50, I need the weed and it was done. I have let it go to 64 before and it was MUCH too long. The G doesn't yeild as large a cola as an AK, but the buzz is outrageous. I'm so spoiled that I won't smoke anything else. The yeild is better and juicier in hydro than my previous harvest in soil. Also, with this breed I think a good veg time is about 10 days to two weeks. Well first you must know this- I am a legal care giver for a legal med patient in washington. I also consult on other med grows all over the western part of our state. I have sources now that some people here only read about. I'm not a newbie to the internet either and I've been around a long time. This has allowed me to experience many strains (and people) that you hear about on these pages. We're on the first run on both gov plants. The "G" was flowered small, but all flowering described by rajun cajun is right on the mark. Those huge calyxes are ****ing incredible! Expect 63 day flower and very high yield. But it is not the heaviest. The second clone fits the pure indica phenotype much better and has structure that you won't believe until you see the photos. I'll try to run down our member who has the digicam and get this going. When cured properly, early samples were not as harsh, but they were grown organically. Knife hits can be dangerous. I've grown genius it's nothing at all like the plant we're discussing. Same for princess which I own. Those two are hemp compared to this pot. What I mean when I say that is the government pot wastes no energy on fiber/stem production. These two are made to do one thing, yield tons of killer pot. Also, these plants are designed for heavy medical users and carry the chemotype as such. The IG13 was good, but not that great. And now I doubt it's origin after seeing plants that more accurately fit the traditional description of high yield and potency. I've been growing and breeding pot for almost 20 years and have never owned plants like this. And from what I'm told, this may be just the beginning for clone access. Both clones are slated to be crossed with Mr Nice Black Widow this spring as the first test crosses. My question is this: With all the "experts" and their killer shit why would you want some clone from a hippy stoner who obviously can't compete with the pros? Peace from the pacific northwest.
	Lady J	Updated: 2002-12-07
	LG13 could be it. We have a verified government (one of two) clone that is the EXACT duplicate of those pics. I was just looking at one at six weeks tonight and they could be doubles. We'll have pics soon as someone just got a digicam. I've grown the IG13 and they are very different plants indeed. I have two "LG13" rooting up right now... STOKED! Pacific
	Pacific	Updated: 2002-12-07
	MrIto>> The G13 is an acrid, potent indica. It grows as wide or wider than it does tall and the odor easily overpowers most other strains in the grow. This is a pure clone from an independent source. There's a lot of controversy about the clone, it kicks ass nonetheless. I've also posted quite a few pics of the clone during the last grow, and I'll dig some more pics out of the bin. I flower the G13 9 weeks. That's just me... nothing in stone. The widow male comes from a pack of greenhouse '97/98. The seeds were purchased in amsterdam by a very cool friend. Unfortunately he is no longer with us but I can tell you a little about him... I used the fibonacci ratios to determine he was in fact quite stable genetically. Very uniform in structure and growth both pre and post flowering. Rubbing the plant gave a rather foul whiff of that widow smell... really funky. Not the most resinous male, but the most potent and stable. I would expect to flower this hybrid for 8 weeks. Very high yield and potency, but get the ozone generator out or you might have some problems. I like weed that is very odourous and while I haven't grown this new hybrid myself, I have enough experience with the parental stock to know these babes will rock.
	southernboy	Updated: 2002-12-07
	hi pacific, great looking plants as always. i enjoy reading your post on breeding and genetics. I would love to sit you down one day and pick you brain on the one subject i have trouble getting more real info on breeding. please keep in mind this isnt a flame of any sort. but i have to doubt the whole G13 rumar mill. not that the indica clone/genes you have there arent top notch, im sure they are. Keep in mind i live a rocks throw from the college where this G13 clone was made (?) they dont exist here period so why would they end up in...pick one, BC canada, upper west coast, east coast...(?) why wernt seeds smuggled out? would be easier to steal seeds than cuttings i would think. to think that the US government would spend 100s of 1000s of $ to devolop MJ plants to never make seeds (?) i have still to see one real document on this government project but i still hear all the rave and rumars of the impossible to obtain G13 clone? ive read (not to quote) Vic high's explaination that he couldnt never be sure of the origin of that clone (G13) hes recieved, other than its a very nice plant. as far as you having an agenda, i dont see that, and i would never make accusations about anyone in public. and im not here to dicredit you. so i would love to see this thread stay out of the jungle/shark pit and stay in the forefront here, please lets keep this going but I have to disbelieve the whole "Government" thing. Did the government ever experiment with MJ? yes of course. did they develope these primo gene's, id say no, it was a quality private breeder such as your self and other with years of work under their belt. Thanks,
	Lady J	Updated: 2002-12-07
	sb, I too appreciate your honesty, but you're still under the wrong impression. THE GOVERNMENT DID NOT DEVELOP THESE PLANTS, THEY ARE ALL FROM DEA CONFISCATED LOTS. They are ALL tested and certain ones are kept (for exactly what reasons I don't know) and distributed in certain cases. Somehow I just can't get that through peoples heads. I don't think aliens are involved or genetic engineering for that matter (except for maybe one particular plant) but that's not what we're talking about here. All the info is researchable if you put your mind to it. People want to believe in super- secret government projects, but it's all much more mundane than that. I do get these plants from a source that is certified by the dea, that's all I am going to say on the subject. You can believe me or not, it doesn't matter. Because again, it's not me that's important, it's the plant. I apologize to anyone to whom I have given the wrong impression.
	Lady J	Updated: 2002-12-07
	My G13 is stronger smelling than the widow, which is hard to believe, and more potent too.
	Lady J	Updated: 2002-12-07
	I give it an 8 in potency. It's parents are about 8.5. A good commercial variety. Far from the most potent though. My two government clones are 9+ in yield AND potency. And that's meduser ratings too.
	Webfish	Updated: 2002-12-07
	You think Apollo 13 is only a 8.5, can I have some of what ever you qualify as a 9 or 10 pleeease he he he he. I think the above reference in abit overboard, the X13 is, if you get a good one as potent as the Apollo 13, a little less flavor, slighly longer duration of high, but strangely yields much better then either parent. I think the Apollo11 x G13 will make a more consistant cross, but who knows, there will be X13 F2's also. BTW stop giving me all the credit for this its was a joint effort, between my friend Bubi and I.
	Lady J	Updated: 2002-12-07
	The G13 clone I have is NOT the G13 that is out there in all those crosses. Mine is the one being documented by IMSDL and Memy Selfandi. They were neutral parties with the ability to upload pics and document the grow. My source on this clone is unquestionable. The purple G is the second government clone. It has a longer and more slender leaf than the g, but is all indica. Very short internode spacing, and VERY potent. It's the consensus here that it is our most potent medical plant. The purple begins on the underside of the leaves and then permeates through the leaf tissue to the upper surfaces until most of the plant is purple. This pot is not for rookies.
	Memy Selfandi	Updated: 2002-12-07
	Top strains by Memy Selfandi: Blackberry, Blackberry x Bubblegum, G-13, Haze x Skunk (C-bay DutchFlowers), C99, Cali O x ESB, TB3, Matanuska Thunderfuck. I love G13... the Best High I've ever had, but they are not the best cloners I've seen. Usually takes about 2 weeks to root out of 1" rockwool cubes. Not a great yeilder but not bad either.
	DM	Updated: 2002-12-07
	This is from G13 bud. Now obviously he wouldn't know the strain is a very stubborn rooter and an average yielder if he didn't see the real plant. These are classic traits of G13 and just proves the controversy was stirred for nothing at all. This internet G13 bit not being the real deal is BULL**** and what he said about these "traits" proves its nothing else but G13, because I know the same traits very well. It has been my intention of improving on these faults. So the G13 that has got around to many growers now is the only one that's real. I don't know who said IG13 is not real, but that was very misleading to say and start a bunch of controversy over Anyone can say what they will, but the "traits" of this strain can't be argued with and reveal its true identity once for all! The controversy should now end and no one should have the slightest doubt of what the identity of the real strain is.
	DM	Updated: 2002-12-07
	Hey LC, Yeah P seems upset that I can distinguish what are the real G13 traits. I think P also may not be aware that I grew G13xNL#2, a strain the original Seed bank use to produce before it became Sensi Seeds, but of course he thinks my only motive is to cash in, which is hardly the case. Here's another clue, the phenotype that came from those G13xNL seeds has an identical look and shape as the G13 clone's leaf shape. Now we all know the Seed bank and Sensi did not use an impostor clone to breed with, so why would the G13 show a similar shape and size to the G13xNL leaf, if the G13 in question is not the same as the one going around? There can only be one answer and why I was able to make identifying match. Besides that, I was also able to try Mr. Nice G13 x HP, which also lead me to same conclusion, especially the flavour of that one said its the same as G13's.
	Memy Selfandi	Updated: 2002-12-07
	G-13 is EXACTLY what it's hyped to be.
	Selfandi	Updated: 2002-12-07
	You asked: Is G-13 total dog doodie? I've been smoking it for awhile, it is the favorite smoke when it is around... it is always the first to disappear. I guess that's the real test. The test of time. I think with all the 100s of varieties I've grown, that this is a superior plant to 95% of them, and equal to the best... tight resin-encrusted beauties... I brought some to a party the other day and shortly after the pipe was lit, people across the room were ooohing and aaaaahhhhing about how incredible it smelled! Regardless of whether it's the real deal, or whether there even IS a real deal, this plant ROCKS! Memy
	Memy Selfandi	Updated: 2002-12-07
	i just finished round 1 of the g-13 it is AMAZING! great yield: 1.25 oz in about 1.5l of soil she doesn't like growing sog style, growing into a wide-based bush, typically. light nutes, she didn't have too much odor while growing, kinda spicy, maybe... seems fruitier now that it's dried... buds are very compact and dense with a bare minimum of stem inside...I was amazed, really. it manicured easily due to a very high calyx/leaf ratio... while growing, anyone who saw the garden inquired about this lady. it was quite obviously special. the high is potent, immediate, and fairly long-lasting. cough attack? Not this G13... the smoke is smooth and fairly tasteless... definitely top-shelf! i can see why it is very popular with breeders! i'm looking forward to getting the auction g13 .75 x ww .88 to breed back to her! thanks for sharing, my friend!
	DM	Updated: 2002-12-07
	Joshmo, I need to know what makes you think that the hybrids going around today INCLUDING Sensi's is not authentic G13. I think a lot here fail to realize this strain performs differently in different environments and is WHY it takes on different appearances in different grow rooms. It does and will change the size and shape of its blades through out the cycle. Depending on when you harvest the strain can make a lot of difference in the way it looks. The main reason why its harvested at 40 is the higher level of THC/CBDN ratio, which doesn't make it as heavy then say at 60-65 days. I won't wait for the calyx's to start turning since CBDN is on the rise and THC starts to degrade, which will knock you out. G13 is all INDICA but it will turn over to slender blades of sativa, which can easily fool anyone into thinking its not the same plant. So keep in mind this stain does alter its appearance in different environments and through out its life cycle. Go look at Memy's plant, from the bottom base up the leaves start wider and they progress to slender style as you reach the top. That's classic G13 growth, which makes me think that plant is still the same one and pacific just has a plot to sell more seeds by saying its different. It isn't at all, its how you grow that plant is how it will perform and appear
	Joshmo	Updated: 2002-12-07
	I agree Dankmaster, and the G-13 cross's strain Sensi carries is authentic G-13, the only G-13 you can get, a very powerful indica. but the myth that it is from a stolen clone snatched by some one is not true just a story. No body got a hold of the govt grown G-13
	DM	Updated: 2002-12-07
	Oh THAT story. Well I think I have to concur as well. In fact I was told HOW it was passed to a friend and then from there it has spread out. Your right no one "stole" the clone as the story goes. It was passed on to a friend of the breeders that was supposed to continue this indica project. I think the story has been made up due to the fact it was created under a government project and no one would believe that it was just given out from a government project. Saying it was stolen from the project puts a different perspective on that strain. The government project was real, the strain we both know is real, but that story is where the hype and myth begins. Its just been misconstrued passing through each person over the many years
	DM	Updated: 2002-12-07
	Here's the PM I got back after waiting to hear from this person name Pacific. You tell me what this means, I know what it does! "If you want to grow my shit grow up. Not to mention you have a seed company which puts you with Soul and Vic in my eyes. Show me you can be trusted and I'll consider it." SEE, he thinks I am a breeder out to make money on the strain. After that PM I even apologized and that still wasn't good enough and was demanded to come to WA state and pay 5k: "YOU are the one who didn't authorize me. Don't start that shit with me. This is the last message I will send: 5K and you must come to Washington state to get it." You don't give a fuck about anybody but yourself. you don't fool me for a fucking minute. pay or go the fuck away. you ignored me you little fuck, be glad I even read your pathetic bullshit messages. don't cry to anybody for help, none has influence with me since all you fuckers dogged me. fuckoff. you rich little liar brat bastard. from now on your on my ignore list unless you pay SEED PIMP. you think you're smart, but your really an idiot. and I HATE IDIOTS. AND that is the message that broke the camels back! I've never, ever had ANYONE speak to me in this tone and I didn't deserve it. So you see this is conspiracy against me after all I tired to do about the G13 issue. If members are going to listen to Pacific and prevent me from getting the clone. I don't need to be a part of this community anymore. You understand where I'm coming from? G13 is not all that anyway, its potent but BG is 10 times better. There's a principal to my point and being worked against by members of my own kind. Maybe there will be someone that isn't going to listen and won't abide by instructions not to let me have it. I will wait and see if someone decides I should have it regardless of their wishes. Those that have received from me know what I'm all about and what I've offered and given. I've always been more of the giver than the taker, but if members are going to collaborate against me there's no point in being here anymore. I will not stay to be worked and conspired against. Hope that explains things better.
	Memy	Updated: 2002-12-07
	hold on a minute there! don't be a weenie, I paid for that clone... I am still paying for it, cuz I'm outta weed. I never bitched about the cost, but it DID cost me. I was NOT specifically instructed to deny YOU. I was instructed not to share it with ANYONE!, not my best friend, not my mother, noone...there have to be others growing this clone. Look around a bit, time may see a relaxation of my constraints, and you would be the first person I would share it with in return for your generosity in the past. I hope you stick around and keep posting! I always love to see your garden pics, etc.
	DM	Updated: 2002-12-07
	Some people hoard their "line" like it's the flaming' holy grail. Shit, this isn't corporate world where one company will guard their line with absolute resolve to stem competition. I always thought that in the good MJ world, "competition" was non-existent. Only dealers got into that and all too often they're the worst examples of the MJ community and usually the #1 reason why us smokers gave up on them and decided to grow our own. This is exactly what I mean. Anyone that thinks they have sole rights to any strain like its copyrighted material, need to get their head checked. Its a plant, not a secret recipe. The only people that have rights are those that run banks like Sensi, Serious, DP etc. They have ownership of their strains they market to us, but as individual growers we don't own a strain like its piece of sacred property. If anyone owns the G13 its the dam government, none of us have the right to claim ownership of that strain. Possibly, another reason for keeping you away from it is because you will be breeding into doubt, and hyping the pants off it because you are breeding it....(..like Nobody else would be)..for YOUR monetary gain no doubt.. People who have great clones don't exactly run to other breeders with it ,so that THEY may 'take the glory' for it, know?? It happens in computer-land all the time..dontit?? We have ALL seen you operate online (grandiose observations, tantrums, threats, guilt trips, G13hype, Kalimisthype, Bubblegumhype, among countless others you ONCE believed undoubtedly that it was the BEST clone in the WORLD!, etc..) and I believe it is THIS REASON, that clone is so HARD for you to get. think about it mang.....When people give their faves out, they expect that it will be treated with RESPECT, and maybe you haven't proven your ability to take on the responsibility of Respecting someone else Find..jus my thots ... ' Well hibe, this is just it. I could understand these reasons IF I was still doing breeding work. But thats over till I start living in a house. I'm just a plain grower now thats all. I don't know why you consider my strain reports HYPE. Each has thier OWN CATEGORY they fall under and I try to list all positive features of the strains. Yeah I may get a little excited, but I know when I've found something good and I like to report detailed experince for future research to other upcoming growers to read. You have a good point and I'm sure it will swing around, but I'm still being conspired against due to the fact I did breed at one time and was planning cubing the IG13 and I don't appreciate that. Even if my intentions were to cash in, it wouldn't be soley for that reason. My whole intent was SPREADING in the first place. I could have EASILY sent all 500 seeds out to anyone that wanted GFW, but dam man was I going to keep pushing my luck by sending 10 and 20 packs a day!? Maybe you would have been happier if I had just GIVEN RC those GFW's and didn't ask for one cent! There was a very good reason why those ended up at HS to be sold and I still think you don't understand why I did that, it wasn't for money in the first place. You can believe that or not. IF I want to make money I'll do it with BUDS, there's hell of alot more to be made than seeds will make. It would take 1000's which I do not have the set up for and to grow my own bud. It took me a whole wasted year to figure out it wasn't going work. Nevertheless you have made some valid points and I do appreciate your input. But I think you see that I stuck my neck out as far as the G13 issue in concerned and I don't think this is fair to do to me. I proably sent it out to at least 30 or more growers, but thats because I wanted to spread as much as possible so it will be around for a very long time to come. Thanks Memy! I happy to know how you feel about me too Yes I know you were told not to share with anyone. Still no one person has the right to say what can and can't be shared around as the above poster points out. I mean, I could have easily told you I don't want the Hawaiian clone I was given that I gave you to be shared with anyone, but I am not that way and share EVERYTHING and WANT it to be spread around to others..you see my point? I would think after everyone has been interested in growing G13 would want to see it spread around to as many growrs as possible and not restricted to certain members. So obviously Pacific is not concerned with it spreading out like I did with IG13. My main goal was to insure the survival of this strain going into 2000 and beyond for other generation of growers to come. That is all I wanted. It may not be all that, but I still wanted it preserved for the future.
	Vic High	Updated: 2002-12-07
	Hey Dank, listen to Hibe, it's not that big of a deal. Hell this whole G13 controversy is probably a conspiracy against you to discredit your G13 efforts. Who really cares? You know the breeding traits of your clone as do I. It doesn't matter whether it has a hyped name or not, all that matters is it's combining ability. And the fact that it was around before the name G13 was hyped, lending it additional credibility and rights to the name, is really insignificant to those of us working with the genetics, not the name. We both can be very grateful to the kind person who was generous enough to share it with us. But lets not forget that it ended up in our stables out of kindness, NOT obligation. Nobody is obligated to share anything. Including with our own private dealings. Despite my personal feelings, I have no right to feel that you were obligated to share. Still won't change how I feel and it will effect my future generosity with you, but I also know I'm wrong to feel this way. Sharing is NOT an obligation. As for what Pacific thinks or does, who cares? That bitch has been off her rocker since her return to the internet. And lets recap her existence before her departure since she feels so comfy judging the rest of us. When we first met, there was no mistaking that my Romulan clone was not on the trading block because of a promise I foolishly made. It was my first clone and I was naive enough to agree not to share it. A mistake I've never repeated. Anyway, everything else in my stable was available and much trading happened with no strings attached. She played a role in bringing Aeric's cali-o clone north in addition to I think my first copy of G13. Other than the grapefruit clone, I can't remember what else went south, but there was a lot. The connection and trading between Pacific and myself was very beneficial to growers in both nations. Then we had our last visit which was weird. First while sitting on the ferry, she bragged how she was going to be using one friend to squeeze the Princess cut from a trusted friend of Soul's. She filled me with a bunch of anti Soul gossip of which who knows how much was true and how much was edited with her agenda. Didn't really matter, it was none of my business. She also picked up cuts and some samples of aquaponic sweet skunk that was just heavenly. But boy did it reak. Everytime she opened her purse, the entire area would be filled with the smell of cannabis. Discretion was definately lacking as she proudly advertised her purse's aroma in checkout lines and the cafeteria. Well she made a common tourist mistake and underestimated the time it takes to take multiple ferries and she missed her ferry back to the US. We decided to grab dinner and catch a movie. She was broke, so I paid. I won't even let my best friend into my home, therefore I got her a hotel room. Which came with alot of ribbing from friends, haah. Last thing we talked about was her getting her cargo home safely. I flat out told her that she was foolish to try and carry such stinky stuff. That she should mail it and that I would be happy to help her with that. She said she had it under control. Well next thing i hear is that she got busted at the border. She still had the stinky purse and well once they asked her for ID, she was busted. Luckily she only got a small fine, 0 I seem to recall. However, since her travels benefited a group of us, she expected the group to pitch in. Most were dumbfounded by her stupidity, so I'm not sure how much people pitched in. I never did, I figured 0 wasn't a big deal and that I had already contributed alot while playing the host. Well next time I hear from her, she has the new name Pacific and is again asking me for a cut of Romulan in a private message. I find it offensive when someone repeatedly asks me to do something I'm not willing to do. In my opinion, it shows complete disrespect. Again I politely say no. Then the public posts start where she starts slagging seed makers with specific attention to me and Soul. She brags about having Princess and cuts down Romulan. I call her on her BS and she has been acting like a complete bitch ever since. Well, like most of you know, some call her a she and others call her a he. There is some debate on this one, but she thinks of herself as a woman and would prefer to be addressed as such. Out of all our mutual friends, I'm probably one of the only ones that has without question, respected this wish of hers. As a human being she deserves such respect. I've always been generous with her and willing to help her out. Whether genetics or information, sharing was unobstructed. The friendship I offered here was honest and true without strings and expectations. All I can think of for her to sour is that I won't break my word to another and share Romulan with her. Well anyone who can't respect the fact that I want to keep my promise really is not worth worrying about. Therefore Dank, with this in mind, I really cannot fathom why you or anyone should gives a rats ass about what Pacific thinks or does. She is simply showing what a greedy hypocrit she is. She is duplicating the very actions that she condems. And worse, it's not out of keeping a promise. It's greed and jealousy. Not worth loosing sleep over dude. As for the conspiracy against you, again it's not worth sweating over. The world is much bigger than the jealous insiders here. The genepool is much bigger than any individual clone. The seedmarket is too big for any single group to control your future. If it wasn't, I still wouldn't be around. I have ruffled many feathers and hurt many greedy pocket books. As a result, many have tried to remove me from the seed business by blackmailing seed vendors to not carry my seedline. Two outfits that I share the CW helpdesks with tried telling Gypsy that they wouldn't sell to him if he stocked BCGA genetics. The fools actually thought that Gypsy needed them more than they needed Gypsy, haha. I have to give Gypsy credit, he showed courage and integrity by standing up to the blackmailers and still asking to carry my seedline. I hope one day we can get past one small problem and work together. Not all seed vendors have had the same level of courage that Gypsy displayed when he shared the politics effecting him. One competing breeders is telling our mutual friends that unless they distance themselves from me, that he wants nothing to do with them. He's even said that my friends deserve the same physical assault he plans for me. Thankfully, most that I consider friends are true friends. Dank, what I'm saying is that others can't determine your future and your success. Despite the efforts of others, you are the only one that controls your future, you just have to want to seize that control. Take Hibe's advice, he has been a true friend to you whether you realize it or not. Give the man the respect that he deserves. Just worry about what counts in this case, your actions and not the actions of others.
	DM	Updated: 2002-12-07
	Hi, I just thought I'd let everyone here me and Pacific have made ammends. We both agree there's 2 G13's on the lose, but it is obvious the sativa G13 is the winner plant and the indica is the lacking strain. We also both agree that these 2 clones need to be grown side by side at the same time for informational purposes. After all, we shouldn't fight with each other while the enemy threatens all of our lives for our passions of growing. That really makes no sense! Well I feel much better now that the quarrel has been resolved between us. I highly respect Pacific's work and ability to grow. She has a lot of growing talent.
	HI-DES-JJ	Updated: 2002-12-07
	Hi Cronique she's a stomper alright but she tends to grow like a sativa, 70+ days. Hey Morbo she is not a commercial strain, she is a cross from a private breeder. I can't tell you how many G13 crosses there are but a lot. The best place to check it out would be seedsdirect or heaven stairway. Lots of pictures. Hi Ded666 the purple is partly genetics and partly from the temperature it gets at night. My grow room get down to 59.5*F at night. Ded sounds like a good question to me. We are all here (except leo) to help and learn. BTW there are a lot of G13 strain that show purple. If you would like to check this link out its a good example. http:// www.cannabisworld.com/ubb/Fo...TML/000325.html. FTH thanks, she was grown under a1000w MH and switched at flower to a 1000w hps. I grow in a soil mix in 2 gal pots. She could finish at 70 to 75 days but I let her go 82. The high is intense and the flavor reminds me of 1970's Hawaiian. FTH your 100% right Pacific has major talent. She been doing it for a long time from what I have read. Makaveli403 how's it going? Sorry buddy not unless Pacific release some more beans or clones. Check out the link above if that looks good those are available. Hi marcus thanks. I have 5 more going now I know I can do a better job. I had personal problems during this grow and really didn't take care of my girls like I should have. Oh well I am better now. Thanks gustoz she is great smoke right up there with the best I ever had.
	DM	Updated: 2002-12-07
	Vic, you make the most sense of all. You pretty much explained the 360 turn that Lady-J has made. The Lady-J I used to know was very nice and polite in the past, so frankly this new found attitude was shocking and confusing to hear from her. I wouldn't doubt a lot of her effort is to discredit me with G13. Regardless of what this other plant looks like, I'm still sticking with clues that have matched to the clone we both know. A lot of those clues trace back to the G13xHP. Right now I'm not all that concerned with G, I want to play around with Romulan genes. So I'm kind of anxious to play with this SQ's of yours. Hope to see those soon. This whole issue is more than me not getting this other clone. Its about Pacific (Lady- J) trying to prevent anyone else from wanting to give it to me to grow for my own use. I mean, someone asks her for the clone like Memy did and she tells them I'll send it to you, but your not to send it to Dank. She knows that I'm hoping to get it from someone else now, so she is trying to prevent that from happening. I don't know why she feels threatened, the market is hers for the taking. I'm not doing any large scale seed op until I have a house to work with. I never said I was obligated to get this particular clone from anyone. If anyone that gets it doesn't want me to have it, then that is their prerogative and I respect that, like gypsy said, but it does bother me that she's going a step further to try and prevent anyone from getting it to me by telling them not to share it with anyone. I call that a singled out conspiracy against me and I feel the community should know what's going on. IF I get it from someone, great, at least I will stopped her plan to prevent that, if not, its not a big deal cause I have other strains to look forward to. There's too many other strains to get hung up over G. Now I hope I've explained to understand why I made a fuss over this issue. If you do, then I think you see the whole point I've made. Judging by some of these replies, some of you do know.
	Peace, Pacific	Updated: 2002-12-07
	You can cry all night about it Dank. But the policy is still the same, no clones to seedbanks. Reputable growers and researchers are finding success where you are failing.
	DM	Updated: 2002-12-07
	P seems upset that I can distinguish what are the real G13 traits. I think P also may not be aware that I grew G13 x NL#2, a strain the original Seedbank use to produce before it became Sensi Seeds, but of course he thinks my only motive is to cash in, which is hardly the case. Here's another clue, the phenotype that came from those G13 x NL seeds has an identical look and shape as the G13 clone's leaf shape. Now we all know the Seedbank and Sensi did not use an impostor clone to breed with, so why would the G13 show a similar shape and size to the G13xNL leaf, if the G13 in question is not the same as the one going around? There can only be one answer and why I was able to make identifying match. Besides that, I was also able to try Mr. Nice G13 x HP, which also lead me to same conclusion, especially the flavor of that one said its the same as G13's.
	7@NY	Updated: 2003-03-27
	All i know is that i have had the real deal. Medium golden nuggets , very hairy, lots of tiny crystals, and a knockout high. I have smoked bud that was stronger, but never will i ever find a high as pure and wonderful. It isn't a one hit wonder, but smoke a joint with your friends and you'll be high like it's the first time. if you smoke some other strain the day after smoking this, you will notice how different G is and how unique the high is. I laugh at ppl who haven't smoked this and ppl who claim they have but it really wasn't, because they have NO IDEA what they are missing.

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