Haze X Northern Lights from Nevil
| Haze X Northern Lights | ||
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| Region | New World Strains - The Americas, Hawaii and Caribbean | |
| Type | Sativa/Indica mix | |
| Origin | Holland | |
| Breeder | Nevil | |
| Descriptions | - | Updated: 2002-09-16 |
| "1988 Catalog the Seed Bank introduced a Haze X NL #1 hybrid. In 1989 they introduced Haze X NL #5. Today the Sensi Seed Bank offers NL#5 X Haze. I do not know if the listing of Haze first in the "Name" as opposed to the listing today of NL#5 first in the "Name" has any real bearing on the formulation of this cross. I do know that the 88 version and the 89 version were indeed different. This hybrid is the pinnacle of achievement in Cannabis breeding today. The result: an extremely potent plant with a great Sativa high. In the 1994 harvest festival this variety was miles ahead of its competitors. The high yields compensate for the slightly longer flowering period. Hybrid vigour provides for lush growth, heavy bud formation and abundant resin. A true champion! |
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| Specifications | Haze x NL#1 The Seed Bank 1988 Catalog state | Updated: 2002-12-14 |
| Flowering: 65-75 days / 9-11 weeks Height: 150-180 cm. Yield: up to 150 gr. Big plant with big leaves. Light green. It will grow to 15 feet tall outdoors. Will produce 4-6 ounces per plant. An extremely sweet smell. A unique and high quality stone. |
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| Comments | LadyJ | Updated: 2002-12-14 |
| 88 version (Haze X NL#1 ) states 'Haze X Northern lights has been the most reliable haze hybrid so far and is our favorite smoke. It is a bit stretchy and difficult to grow but well worth it. 1989 version: "Due to tremendous customer demand, we have spent years searching for a superb Sativa/ Indica hybrid that is suited for indoor growing but still retains the unique sativa qualities in the high. The Haze X NL#5 hybrid is the result of this search. A note of warning: Adverse effects have been known to occur among inexperienced smokers, particularly when combined with alcohol. Side effects may include nausea, dizzyness, fainting and loss of bowel and bladder control. Extreme introspective behavior is considered normal One item that may be of interest is that in the 1988 Catalog the Seed Bank introduced a Haze X NL #1 hybrid. In 1989 they introduced Haze X NL #5. Today the Sensi Seed Bank offers NL#5 X Haze. I do not know if the listing of Haze first in the "Name" as opposed to the listing today of NL#5 first in the "Name" has any real bearing on the formulation of this cross. I do know that the 88 version and the 89 version were indeed different. I grew that strain in '89 and your right, one of the wildest highs I have ever had from pot. The pistils must have been almost an inch long when they were fresh. It took 4 months for them to come but I never regreted it after the first stone. |
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| Marc from french quebec, Canada | Updated: 2002-12-02 | |
| Of all the strains i tried through the years: skunk,power plant ,g13xnl2,misty,nl5,hash plant,bubbleberry,afghan,kali mist,neville's haze,top 44,chocolate chunks,sage,akorn,ak47,sensi star,nebula,western winds,big skunk,durban,early girl,early pearl,ip2000,northern light special,haze special,white rino,thai,,m39, (and probably a few others,plus personnaly produced seeds) none come close to the haze x northern light offered by seed bank in 88, i have kept buying it from sensi in the hope... no such luck, though some plants were incredible but unmanageable for commercial production. The best after that was silver haze bought 11 years ago at sensi (it took 90 days), I bought it again through ubino (original sensi packagin) but it was nothing comparable, much faster but butchered strain...Did i say that i was an old timer, growing for more than 15 years. I was busted 10 years ago, and my lack of foresight, made many exceptionnal and irreplacable strains disapear for me. If i could put my hands on the haze X nl5 of 1988..and the silver haze... |
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| Oldtimer1 | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| Your main problem will be getting any real original haze I don't think its available in Holland the last people to sell it were positronics there stock went to Dutch passion and I think they are selling a version of haze modified by them as they state a finish time of 9 to 10 weeks to suit the hurry up boys. Original haze takes at least 14 weeks and the best ones 16 to 18 weeks. |
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| Strain-o-Rama | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| "Haze is a late sativa from America, widely agreed by experts to be the best pot in the world. Very popular in the 70's, it nearly became extinct in recent years as growers switched to easier varieties. We managed to salvage a few viable seeds from the last crop grown in America and we have used them to produce some remarkable hybrids. Haze is known for an extreme, almost psychedelic spaciness. The fragrance is complex and deep with a dry flowery perfume over a base of dark leathery animale tones. When used in a hybrid it adds facinating notes of depth and complexity to the taste, as well as a unique addition to the high. While not for everyone, the most jaded connoiseur will often find Haze irresistable. Haze x Northern Lights has been the most reliable Haze hybrid so far and is our favorite smoke. It is a bit stretchy and difficult to grow but well worth it.The Seed Bank 1989 Catalog: "Due to tremendous customer demand, we have spent years searching for a superb Sativa/ Indica hybrid that is suited for indoor growing but still retains the unique sativa qualities in the high. The Haze x NL#5 hybrid is the result of this search. A note of warning: Adverse effects have been known to occur among inexperienced smokers, particularly when combined with alcohol. Side effects may include nausea, dizzyness, fainting and loss of bowel and bladder control. Extreme introspective behavior is considered normal. Northern Lights #5 x Haze, Breeder and Source: Unknown. Strength 7/10. Appearance: light green in appearance, with some dark green leaves. Long, khaki colored pistils. Scent: Light, slightly sweet green scent. Taste: Smooth, slightly minty taste, expands quickly in the lungs. Effect: Warm and relaxing head effects. Comes on quickly, just like a trip to the beach. Grow notes: some of the trichromes turned a reddish amber color before the pistils even started to change colors. Other comments: fluffy but burns very slowly. |
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| Amsterdam Reviews | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| Northern Lights #5/Haze - This hydro is light green with scarce long, red hairs and very crystally buds. It breaks up very easily and emits a sweet green scent, characteristic to Northern Lights. The buds are surprisingly much denser than they seem. Smoked, the buds are smooth but very expansive in the lungs and will certainly leave you coughing. The taste has a mild overall bouquet if not a bit bland. The high comes on quickly but is mild and relaxing, and even a bit spacey. *** 1/4 |
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| Oldtimer 2 | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| What I did (without the benefit of all the expert materials available today) was just cross all the females with all of the males from the F1 seeds I acquired from The Seedbank in 1988 - I originally had 6 males and 18 females and after cloning the best females I just let everything else go to seed (pardon the pun). From that grouping I was able to isolate about 8 definate phenotypes -including one which is very interesting in that it has a "indica" structure with regard to internode length but the leaves, buds and high are very Haze or sativa dominant. Your concern about the dominance of NL#5 is something I was not concerned about but reflecting on what I eneded up with I don't think you have much of a problem - it's been my experience with this hybrid and the plants I've developed from the original group is that the opposite is true - that the Haze (sativa) is dominant. In some unrelated breedings with these seeds it has been my experience that the sativa "structure" generally takes over - especially if the other plant has any sativa in I's background, I.e. Skunk #1, Oregon Blue Mountain, California Orange (one of the most over-rated strains to have ever been developed, IMHO), etc. My suggestion would be that you get the Haze x NL#5 and do what I did - from what I've read on this board the name Haze has been pretty well bastardized into something other than what was originally named/titled Haze in California 20 years ago. Your mileage may of course differ. |
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| Oldtimer 2 | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| Yes I still have the Haze x NL#5 and have 3 different phenotypes going. I've tried several other strains in my days - Williams Wonder, California Orange, Velvet Rush, Ghana Green, Hash Plant, M-42, Skunk #1, NL#1, NL#2, NL#5, M-39 (the original from SSSC), Big Bud (real waste of time), Garlic Bud and a few others not from a seed bank and it is my own personal opinion that Neville's "Haze x NL#5" is the best product I've grown under HID's. It's sturdy, reliable, predictable, easy to clone and resistant to white flies, mites, mold, etc. It has it all -cerebral high, body stone, taste, smell - a real winner from my perspective. |
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| Rooot | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| It is the "ultimate". Can do a wake-and-bake without turning into a couch potato. Needs lots of lights. Stretches like a sativa. But gets plenty of crystals. Hash made from those crystals, put into the nation's water supply... uh I forgot what I was going to say. Anyway, it's gooood. And, it's probably not the best for a newbie, it can put them away like when you eat too much. Trip to the hospital, etc. --no shit, this happened to a friend of mine. (It created diabetes complications. Extreme hypoglycemia. So make sure you've got plenty of nutrition bars from your obnoxious network marketing friends, drink lots of water, and you'll be better prepared. Your brain cells are going to be going on a rocket trip... they need lots of fuel! But be careful... if you go shopping under the influence of this stuff you'll spend too much money before you know it. I would suggest the NL#5xHaze. Heavy yielder, great sativa buzz however it does take a little longer (70 days) but worth the wait if its for your head. |
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| Stix | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| I got some of those seed from Neville in 1988 and I've seen it make many experienced smokers do strange things-throw up, anxiety attacks-honest to goodness. I just received an order of Sensi Seeds version of it and cant wait to compare it. I think Neville's seeds from the old Seed Bank days were great. |
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| Stix | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| Being a big fan of this original cross by Neville of The Seed Bank, I've been waiting for the chance to grow out Sensi's version of it. The original was the most potent, devasting high I've ever had the pleasure of growin. The best plants leaned to the indica side in her traits, finish was longish but worth it, with tight, large, crystally buds. Sensi's version today, however, doesn't come close to the original in any way. It's mostly sativa, LOOSE buds, potency at best average, and I've honestly lost track how long they've been budding, and 90% of females not finished yet. I don't really think any of the females (9) I got from this order will be worth keeping, to say the least I'm very disappointed, since I have recommended this strain to so many people. Perhaps the successful grows of this strain use a mega amount of light since mine is only 40 watts ft/sq. or else it was my turn to be unlucky with the females in my order, but I'd never recommend this to anyone again. I know time makes the memories better, but I swear the strains from 85-90 from SSSC and The Seed Bank were much better than most of what we get today, or am I getting old? |
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| MrSoul | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| Sounds like the cross Neville did was different from Sensi's. I'd bet money that Neville used NL#5 as the pistillate parent and Haze as the stamenate parent, whereas Sensi did the reverse. I find in my own breeding that the two approaches DEFINITELY don't produce the same result. In fact, it was that very question, when I posed it to "Kees" back in the early 80's, which got me involved with SSSC - I guess he thought I was clever to have considered it and "befriended" me. Later, I spent a couple of years working for SSSC. |
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| Stix | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| MrSoul>> Interesting to hear of your SSSC experience. They had some good stuff! My favorite was the Haze x South African cross, had a licorice taste and smell, tho not quite as potent as Neville cross with the Haze x NL#5 in my opinion. You can bet I'll keep my eyes open on your Haze work, I wish you the best with it. Thanks so much for your usual gracious offer, I will email you in next day or two. |
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| Prince Caspian | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| NL#5 x HAZE. I too have pretty much just finished growing out all 15 seeds that I bought directly from Sensi in late January. I too have been very dissapointed with this strain. Long skimpy bud structure, heavy Sativa dominated strain that took forever to finish. The high is noticeable but nothing special. Resin content was average or just below. All 8 were less than great. I will keep none of them for even personal production. I never tried the original from Neville but I do not think it was anything like this. I would like to point out a few things from the Catalogs of the period. In the 1988 Seed Bank catalog, Neville sold a Haze x NL #1 F1 hybrid. In the 1989 Catalog Neville sold a Haze x NL#5 F1 hybrid. Both seem to be way different in almost everyway from from today's NL#5 x Haze. |
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| Prince Caspian | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| Sensi's NL#5 x Haze was a dissapointment. took all of 14 weeks, stretched out alot very very tall, maybe 7 grams dried per plant. High was great on one plant (paranoid, head spinning kind of deal) but over all it sucked. I knew it would take forever but I still didn't like it. I think Neville's Haze x NL#5 was much better overall. I never grew it but I smoked it, very trippy buzz. |
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| Lady J. | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| The Haze/NL#5 I had was the most visual, near acid-like high I have ever had. 10-12 weeks to finish and worth every nailbiting day of it (imo). You will also be pleasantly surprised with the yield too. Haze must be VERY dominant in that hybrid judging by the high. The NL just keeps the flowering under 16 weeks more than anything. They didn't call Neville "the king" for nothing, I had one plant stretch 6" overnight! No lie. That Haze is something completely different from most sativas. When Neville released that strain he was the only one with pure NL#5 AND pure Haze both of which he found in the States. |
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| Sb | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| Was it you that had experience with NL x Haze? I now have two from Sensi that are growing like wildfire in my flowering closet. They have almost taken over. My question is are these girls going to be worth the trouble they are causing. If not I am thinking of ripping them out now. It is really running on me. Has to be the Haze. Here's to hoping it is all you say. I will tough it out. I had a similar problem with NLxHaze from the BC seed co. These did not preflower. They full on began to flower at about 6-7 weeks.When it became apparent that they would continue, I moved them into the flowering area. After a decent harvest, I revegged all three and after about 5-6 weeks they began to flower automatically AGAIN. I have bred these plants and their offspring have just begun to break soil. I'll just go with the flow and play jr.scientist trying to find out if it was enviromental or genetic. |
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| Sb | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| Remember how my NL#5xHaze budded on auto? Well the harvest was somewhat small as a result, but the bud was damned stoney. At about 6 weeks reveg the plants went on autobud again so into flowering they went.Larger this time. |
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| Turbo | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| It was great and worth the money but still not the best I ever had... growing conditions could have been a little better. The buzz was powerful and very up heady, a little disorientating and a good laster. Taste was unique kind of a lime flavor with a fruity-tooty hint. Mellow burn. Excellent stuff but I have had stronger in Jamaica. Slow-slow-slow grower and quite pricey for the seed bank seeds. I may have gotten better results had I waited longer and dryed longer. I still have 5 seeds left and 4 clones so I am going to refine my growing technique. But it will be a long time for 2nd set of results. Would I recommend it? Yes, but maybe not on limited funds or for the impatient grower. I love the taste though and the buzz... awesome! |
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| Crystal eyez | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| I've tried AK-47 before and liked it very much. It's pretty potent and has a very energetic high. That's all I know about it, but I would recommend getting Northern Lights#5 x Haze. It's extremely potent and has a superior high and growing patern. |
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| Merry Dankster | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| NLxHaze from Sensi can be the KILL- needs LOTS of light and ~75 days flowering-super musky Haze taste and loads of resin! |
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| Merry Dankster | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| A friend did some of the Sensi NL#5 x Haze, she got 2 females, and did em' in a ebbandflo system. These plants need LOTS of light to develop to their full potential, the tops in her room that were close to the HPS were super resiny (call me old sticky-fingers!) and the shaded branches basically never filled in and sucked. I grew a clone of this that was shaded in my chamber due to its small size, and my finished product paled in comparison to my friend's buds that got the best light. But on to the good stuff, took her ~75 days flowering and liked to stretch. The high was VERY up and immediate, and the buds were fairly dense and had a great spicy smell. I think if you are looking for something unique this is a killer strain, but you need to find the right mom and blast her with light, and be patient. Not really fair to compare it to the Cindy, the Cindy has a completely different taste IMHO. To ensure getting a good female I'd start 'em all, maybe do a seed crop with a mix of pollen from your strongest males to have something to fall back on. |
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| Zack | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| It is my favorite, it is kill... and it makes beautiful plants, fantastic resin covered... however the version I got was awhile ago and can not say how their present seed stock is performing... to me there ain't no better. |
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| Merry Dankster | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| A note on the Sensi NL#5/Haze- I think it is quite dependent on the growing conditions, most notably it needs to be blasted with light to develop to its best. I got a clone of one from Sensi, it never really filled in and was by far the poorest finished product in the garden. I believe because it was shaded by the other taller plants in the garden, because the person who the clone was received from had some great looking nugs from the tops closest to the light, a super frosted powdery look with an awesome musky Haze smell and taste (never puffed the pure Haze, but I know the NL I've had most definitely did not taste/smell like this!), but with the shaded lower nugs looking like my crappy ones (airy, not much to the bud or smell). Haven't even tested the potency due to the poor appearance -too much of the P88 to worry about it. |
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| Mirage | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| I have NL#5 Haze growing now, it is the one from Sensi and it seems to be doing real well. They are currently about 5 and a half foot high (approx) and in full bud (only 3 weeks to go). With the advice of a close friend of mine, I bent the stalks over and have never looked back. It has increased my yield about 50% in around 4 weeks. NL#5 Haze is supposed to be a notorious stretcher, I have found minimal stretching in mine. The crystalization is showing big time. The last time I grew this strain, I was extremely happy with my smoke, a really amazing high I feel. I am not disappointed with this strain, in fact I'm going to hold on to it. |
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| FonZie | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| Read the string on NL#5 x Haze, that had me very dissapointed. Have a budd growing it now and I was buying into the writeup, "This hybrid is the pinnacle of achievement in Cannabis breeding today..." This type of information on the current personality of these strains is very important for people to share, this info helps steer the selection process. I was waiting for his results on this very touted strain... now I hate to tell him what I read, he saved for one quality strain and now who knows, I will post the results. I read that mike@weedseed says that NL#5 x Haze is his biggest seller and if the talk bears out as fact then this myth needs to be exposed. |
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| ongtime Lurker | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| Haze/NL#5 (Sensi): easy to grow and took 10 weeks to mature. Big long buds. Okay taste but very disappointing light high. |
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| Harry H. | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| I recently spoke to the learned gent at Sensi Amsterdam and bought some NL#5 x Haze as a result. He claims that the present strain is VERY potent. I put 16 seeds in wet tissue on Feb. 21st. 15 seeds germinated on Feb. 23rd. I now have 12 sprouts today. At least it looks like the seeds are healthy and viable. Sensi particularly recommends: Clipping the growing tip after the 3rd. internode. Clipping the growing tip after 2 weeks of flowering. Training if there is too much stretch. |
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| Harry | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| The NL x Haze plants are now 6' tall 2.5 weeks into flowering. When I went to 12/12 they simply rocketed off into space. A 3' stretch in 2.5 weeks. Now I've bent them over and have 10 beautiful females on their budding way. The leaves have a purplish tinge, 11 digits in all. Growth is bushy, plants showing plenty of vigor. I'm already using supports for flowering branches. They are beginning to reek heavily. My ionizer is going at full whack. Surprisingly their water needs are a lot less than normal. I'll be posting a more comprehensive grow report in a few weeks. |
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| Harry | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| I promised to post some info on the results of my grow. I am now 73 days into flowering and the plants are only now getting ready. Pistils are beginning to turn from the bottom upwards. Some of the colas are beginning to run... but I'm not too displeased as the main body of colas are in fine shape. Some of the colas are literally white from crystals with the flower bracts literally bulging like grapes. I feared initially that my babies somehow got pollinated but this is not the case; its simply that the bracts are so swollen I assumed they were seed-bearing. The colas are very heavy and waxy - I believe a high-THC content. I expect to harvest over the next 7-10 days. In the meantime I lopped off some lower mature buds and dried them. The taste is very very hash-like, almost like singed wood. The high is very cerebral and intense but does not seem to last long. As one is toking one can feel the individual buzz from each lungful. If these buds are anything to go by then the colas should be killers. More later folks. |
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| Harry H. | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| I've just finished growing out ten NL#5 x Haze females. Firstly the seeds were bought in Sensi for USD 150, you get 16 seeds to a pack. Germination saw 15 seeds pop, out of which 5 were males. I let the plants vegetate until 2 feet in height -mistake. On going to 12/12 the plants took off towards the ceiling. They eventually reached 6 feet and were a regular pain in the ass to look after; buds bending branches over, running buds etc. (I'm using 600W HPS in a 5 x 5 growroom). The plants were just about mature after 75-80 days. I'm now in the process of drying and curing with the intention of selecting the best mother afterwards for regen. and cloning. I must say that I'm disappointed in the quality at this point. The buds I've smoked so far have had a really nice taste and are very smooth to smoke. The high, however, leaves something to be desired. Although I haven't sampled the best bits on each plant I have yet to come across a NLH bud which flattens me. Sensi say this is "extremely potent" grass. What does this mean? Extremely potent for whom exactly? I'm a joint-a-day man for years and my intention in buying these expensive seeds was to grow a really potent strain to have for my "experienced" buddies. There seems to be a high variability in potency among the ten plants. My experience tells me that I'm not going to find a killer here. Manicuring a cola from a plant always gives me a clue to its potency. I use a scissors and if it gets clogged up by resin I know I have a good smoke. Only one of these plants had this ability. However, I'm reserving final judgement until the plants are fully dry and mostly cured (about another 3 weeks) before I start ranting and raving. Tips for growers of this strain: Put on 12/12 when plant is under 12 inches. Maturity will take 75-85 days. You need LOTS of light. Yield is o.k. Cloning is easy - I've tried it. The buds will be fluffy, not tight. No major smell problems with this strain. By the way, I did contact Sensi to get more info. on potency. The real cop-out reply was "we do not do THC testing". My ass. They're covering theirs. I don't believe this is true. When you pay 150 bucks for seed you expect a little more respect than a corny reply. |
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| Harry | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| I've just grown out NL#5 x Haze from Sensi and was frankly disappointed. I started with 16 seeds like you. 14 germinated and I had 9 females. Out of the 9, only ONE was what one could call "good." I've just cloned this mother in the hope of better results second time around. This strain takes 12 weeks to mature and needs lots of light. They will also grow towards the roof if you don't go to 12/12 pretty early. Watch the amounts of ferts you give these babies. I used my "normal" regimen of ferting every other watering and found after drying that the plants had too much potassium and were difficult to keep lighting. Overall I found my plants to have a high variability when it comes to potency, with the least potent giving me only a small buzz and the most potent just about getting me stoned. I think you will need to have at least 10 females to stand a chance of getting a good mother. I personally don't think the seeds were worth the 150 bucks I paid for them. I'll let you know how the clones go. I'm going to let them grow to about 9" and then flower them, therefore we're talking about end-Dec. 1999 before harvest. I'm still searching for a killer mother and have recently purchased some Cindy '99 from HS. I'll be starting these in Jan. 2000. |
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| THC4me | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| I can pipe in about a Haze cross. I grew out the NL#5 x Haze in a scrog type grow and got great results. Super head to it, but a little on the long side at 90 days. Definitely worth the wait. Good luck. |
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| Grohio's friend | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| NL#5 x Haze. Easy growing with distinctly sativa like branching. 11 plus weeks flowering with sweet smelling only somewhat resiny buds. A huge disappointment. Good taste but very little high. |
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| Shuzzit | Updated: 2002-12-14 | |
| If you are talking about Sensi Seeds NL#5 x Haze (as you mention 16 seeds in a pack) be prepared for a lot of selection. My experience with this strain was that you may need a lot of seeds (I had 32) to get a few really well producing mom. The potency will be very high on all the species (with a little variation in the type of high), but I only found two really good yielding moms in 32 seeds. The smoke is terrific, it got me so high it was a little scary sometimes, very psychedelic and it was hard to find a bowl that was small enough not to get too baked with one hit. |
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