I got caught growing and i don't know if my phone is safe to use anymore

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FRDZukz
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I got caught growing and i don't know if my phone is safe to use anymore

ViestiKirjoittaja FRDZukz » 22.3.2021 12:43

Okay so I got caught growing my own weed when the police were called to check on me (trigger warning; talk about serious self-harming ahead) after I had tried to commit suicide. I'm not going into detail about why and what my diagnosis are etc. But I was basically growing this for medical use to treat my mental health. I've studied this a lot, and I know what I am doing. I have also tried the description drugs, but those only make my issues worse. My diagnosis often can not be treated with description drugs at all. Only therapy, meditation etc. can help it. And also medical marijuana can really help the patient. Only in Finland this is not legal. (But honestly I care more about getting the right kind of treatment than about the law here in this case)
So I explained this to the police too (only in much more detail) and all they found at my place was one plant, that wasn't flowering yet, and the remains of 2 auto-plants, that I had cut down some weeks before and maybe about 3 grams of cured weed. So I obviously wasn't growing a lot, they didn't find anything else of interest, and they decided not to take my phone or anything. They took it for maybe 15 minutes, but returned it to me before i was taken to the hospital for treatment for the suicide attempt. They never asked me to open the phone or anything. But the thing is that after this happened my phone has been using a ton of data, the battery life seems to be unstable and yesterday when I was on wickr-me chatting with my regular dealer, who has the kind of stuff that i need, I got a warning message about an app that was apparently recording my screen, or otherwise recording my data. This kind of stuff would indicate that someone is spying on my phone, and ofc it could be a random coincidence that this is all happening now, some time after the shit with the police happened, but I'd like to know how likely it is that they would try to get the permission to listen in on me and/or record my data? What was found at my place wasn't indicating a felony like I said or a serious drug-crime because for fucks sake I am not guilty of one, so technically they shouldn't be legally be able to even get the permission to hack my phone. Unless , ofc, they have somehow convinced a judge to believe that there is indeed a reason to question my story just because they want to, or feel like doing so only because they disagree with me about the drug politics. Not because they have any evidence of a possible felony.
I did call a lawyer today, and she told me that it doesn't sound likely that the police would get the permission to spy on me, but then again, if the really want that permission maybe they know how to get it by twisting the story a bit so they can present me as a suspicious person.
So the question is has anybody any experience in this? How likely is it that they would disrespect my privacy like that? Does that happen much and is there anything I can do? This sucks for me but I also don't want my dealers to get caught because they aren't really hurting anyone by dealing weed, quite the opposite. In my case for example I kinda owe them a lot because they are providing me the thing that keeps me well and alive.

neljakolme
Viestit: 718
Liittynyt: 22.4.2013

Re: I got caught growing and i don't know if my phone is safe to use anymore

ViestiKirjoittaja neljakolme » 22.3.2021 13:16

FRDZukz kirjoitti:
they decided not to take my phone or anything. They took it for maybe 15 minutes, but returned it to me before i was taken to the hospital for treatment for the suicide attempt. They never asked me to open the phone or anything. But the thing is that after this happened my phone has been using a ton of data, the battery life seems to be unstable and yesterday when I was on wickr-me chatting with my regular dealer, who has the kind of stuff that i need, I got a warning message about an app that was apparently recording my screen, or otherwise recording my data. This kind of stuff would indicate that someone is spying on my phone, and ofc it could be a random coincidence that this is all happening now, some time after the shit with the police happened, but I'd like to know how likely it is that they would try to get the permission to listen in on me and/or record my data? What was found at my place wasn't indicating a felony like I said or a serious drug-crime because for fucks sake I am not guilty of one, so technically they shouldn't be legally be able to even get the permission to hack my phone. Unless , ofc, they have somehow convinced a judge to believe that there is indeed a reason to question my story just because they want to, or feel like doing so only because they disagree with me about the drug politics. Not because they have any evidence of a possible felony.
I did call a lawyer today, and she told me that it doesn't sound likely that the police would get the permission to spy on me, but then again, if the really want that permission maybe they know how to get it by twisting the story a bit so they can present me as a suspicious person.
So the question is has anybody any experience in this? How likely is it that they would disrespect my privacy like that? Does that happen much and is there anything I can do?

Privacy? You thought you'd have any privacy in this stasi-still-alive place some call a nation state by the name of Finland? :pimp: :pimp: :pimp: Stasi (some call it the Supo, some call it the KRP, but generally everyone calls it the police) is still alive and well.

https://techsafety.org.au/blog/2017/08/ ... -my-phone/
Physical access to the phone
All commercially-available spyware products require someone to download the software and run the installation on the phone being targeted. It is generally difficult for the user to accidentally install the software since this is an active process. The installation process generally requires 15-20 minutes to install.

The police in Finland has bought those Israeli-based android/iphone cracking tools which basically almost every western country's police use. I heard it said that since the business model of the Israelis was to always sell a new device for newer Android/IOS-models, that after the release of a new phone generation it takes 6-24months for police to have tools to break it (depends a lot on what country you are living in, how slow the public procurement processes are). Year or two ago you could also buy those cracking tools from Ebay and other places police sold their outdated equipment (the older models which didn't crack the newest phones). These are for when you phone is somehow locked. If you just have a greasy screen with few definitive lines running across it, it would take your average 10-year-old about 3 seconds to get it open. And if you have access to the operating system, the nice police officer can just visit their app installation site for their tracking software.

Generally you get rid of most spyware by resetting it to complete factory settings with all data deleted. Try it first maybe. If you want to be sure, I'd look into some computer programs which let you completely to wipe the memory of the phone and then install a fresh droid. I mean there are also virus/spyware checking programs which work inside the droid, but also you can run them on your PC to your phone. Some might catch it, but some like F-secure are probably pretty much the same thing as KRP/Supo virus-software knowledge.

FRDZukz
Viestit: 2
Liittynyt: 22.3.2021

Re: I got caught growing and i don't know if my phone is safe to use anymore

ViestiKirjoittaja FRDZukz » 22.3.2021 20:07

No I didn't really think I'd have privacy :D

I'm just trying to figure out how likely is the police to play by their own rules and not by the law. Because there really isn't enough evidence to suspect a serious felony like I said. And I know there are cases where people have gotten caught with like 8 plants and some hundreds of grams, and their phones haven't been tapped. But yeah I am just trying to figure out should I be worried that the police is stalking me or should I be worried that someone else is spying on me instead. The timing here is what is making me suspect that it could be the police.

But yeah I'll return the phone to it's factory settings. Hopefully that will get rid of the problem. Thanks!

neljakolme
Viestit: 718
Liittynyt: 22.4.2013

Re: I got caught growing and i don't know if my phone is safe to use anymore

ViestiKirjoittaja neljakolme » 23.3.2021 0:24

FRDZukz kirjoitti:
I'm just trying to figure out how likely is the police to play by their own rules and not by the law. Because there really isn't enough evidence to suspect a serious felony like I said.

But yeah I'll return the phone to it's factory settings. Hopefully that will get rid of the problem. Thanks!

They probably got exactly what they wanted from the phone recording, and that was the dealer's contact info. I know one guy who got caught and almost all of his secure communication-type software contacts got weird messages from 3rd party usernames trying to set up meets about buying (even though the usernames would have been private). Only way the people who get caught can be 100% sure is to get new phones (and SIM), and possibly leave the old phone on and in some unrelated use like social media shit so it would not be instantly apparent that a new phone was purchased. The guy also started regularly switching his username so such a leak wouldn't occur again.

The drug police in Finland is notorious for it's free hands policy and little to no oversight. Their policy is to use any drug related crime to a) find other crimes b) find drug crime related connections "work their way up". Though they are more than happy to work downwards or sideways, whichever gets them the most arrests (though it isn't about the arrests, it is about the convictions and fines). This policy is heavily supported by most judges in most juridical districts, especially so in the east and north. They probably don't even need a permission from a judge to do that to your phone, as they could have just collected it as evidence after the growing crime was found out. They can probably afterwards justify it in their report (or just leave it out), or there might be some loophole where cloning a phone or spying on specific apps doesn't even need a judge's approval. Or since they could not care about proper procedure that much as the likely penalties for their little misgiving relating to privacy rape is a warning or 10 day fine. They after all, have plausible deniability since you have absolutely no way of proving they installed it. If they work with criminals who use security software to hide stuff, they probably know how to hide their dirty little secrets to make their job easier very well.

Drug police has received many legal notices about how their permissions/reports on "actual" phone wiretaps performed were inaccurate, not dated, illegally continued after a granted time period ran out. I think the scandalous news related to this said that there were even more misuses in the past, but from fairly recent years wiretap(s) were performed on completely wrong people by mistake.

Every now and then there is a rumour going around that some local drug police is merely working to remove competition, and then later Aarnio-case comes up. I bet all the rest of corrupt cops went into evidence destroying and no more full hash barrels from Netherlands. I think it was mentioned in quite many 'confessions from caught farmers' thread that the final amount of weed they were charged with and was mentioned in the investigation report was less than what they should have had. I mean, in a country where they basically have an Excel table for different weights of different drugs and their fines/years of hotel service who would start to argue in court that they really had twice the amount of weed? Though the same thread also tells stories where the eager and honest police officers were more than happy to weigh everything wet, count leaves as flowers and wildly speculate about past and current yields and possible profits from the crime. The court will demand that this "possible" profit is paid by you to the state, meaning that some cannabis growers who get caught after few years get fined for millions (note: this is only the case for "professional" growers, not you). And sometimes they just can't bother with such wildly speculated nonsense.

offdahook
Viestit: 89
Liittynyt: 4.7.2019

Re: I got caught growing and i don't know if my phone is safe to use anymore

ViestiKirjoittaja offdahook » 19.4.2021 22:04

I would want to back up EVERYTHING Neljakolme has just said.

They now keeping an eye on your plug, but you yourself are not at risk.

Your lawyer does not seem to live in the 'real' world btw.

Gandhi
Viestit: 36
Liittynyt: 14.2.2021

Re: I got caught growing and i don't know if my phone is safe to use anymore

ViestiKirjoittaja Gandhi » 28.4.2021 12:29

I totally disagree, that low amounts and systems, they are not interested about you and normal cops do not have systems to just plug virus there in minutes.

psyphish
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Re: I got caught growing and i don't know if my phone is safe to use anymore

ViestiKirjoittaja psyphish » 21.6.2021 18:07

I had 20 plants, most of them tiny "just for fun" type of plants. My phone was definitely tapped, I didn't have a smartphone at the time. I received a letter from the police a few months later notifying me that they had stopped spying.

Gandhi
Viestit: 36
Liittynyt: 14.2.2021

Re: I got caught growing and i don't know if my phone is safe to use anymore

ViestiKirjoittaja Gandhi » 23.6.2021 11:29

It is much easier to listen normal calls or text Messages, than put your phone ss app etc. but nowadays they dont need so much evidences to do it, becoase terrorist laws etc.


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